Hello everybody, <br>Hello Ricardo,<br><br>I think your point is essentiel. When I put up the question for a db, i was thought more about an excavation management tool, than an gis project. <br><br>Some personel comment of mine to the projects you named:<br>
<br>Integrated Archaeological Database project<br>This seems for me like a near perfect solution, but I don't know if the technical specifications are not to high for a common archaeologist:<br>- setting up a web-server (?) myself, even when i use it just localy<br>
- do i have allways an internet connection, to have a server running somewhere abroad<br>- webservices respond often very slowly<br>- the main question for me ist not realy answerd: interoperability of the data (export in other formats)<br>
<br>Nabonidus<br>There are about the same questions as above, and what i see crucial are the terms of use: only academic and non profit organisations.<br>Second the data is stored somewhere on the project-server (i think so)<br>
<br>ArchaeoCAD<br>is not an database, contrary to ArchaeoDATA from the same firm.<br>It is a special AutoCAD version, with many tools regarding the drawing documetation of the excavation. Main tool of it, is an import tool for tachymetric data to draw automatically the plan.<br>
Very interessting here, the pricing of the product, plus the costs for AutoCAD (you mostly need always the newest version), this beats you the nuts out. Sorry for ....<br>I worked for this firm for a while, the product is well working, but the costs are exceptionel.<br>
<br>ArchaeoDATA<br>a little bit buggy, worked with it, when i was with Arctron. I have heard, that they are on the way to change from Access to Postgres. But anyway, the product rest some way expencive.<br><br>You can find a similar software like ArchaeoCAD under <a href="http://www.singularch.de">www.singularch.de</a><br>
Much, very much cheaper, some interesting features (mobile device etc.), dababase included; but still works only on windows, and Access.<br><br>Another commercial project is <a href="http://www.adjuvabit.de">www.adjuvabit.de</a><br>
There are some interessting screenshot on their page.<br>I was once making an excavatoin using their version 1.2<br>It is using an Access-DB as DBM, but you can export data also in xml.<br>Don't know about the actual pricing, about 5 years ago it cost, i think about +-1500 Euro.<br>
<br>Stratify<br>can be intergrated in databases, so done in a db for the Regional Service in Sachsen-Anhalt.<br>They use a Access bases DB. Could provide a .mde version, to have a look at it. <br>Actually i am working for them, but i don't know for their terms of use. Structure etc. is not to bad. Problem: very big projects are hard to handle. It was not realy designed to use in a network, even if we do so, with the risk to loose data some times.<br>
<br>You can find another non-commercial project in Germany under <a href="http://digitdatenbank.de">digitdatenbank.de</a><br>This access based db was designed to analyse great amounts of complex excavation data. It comes with it, that the use of this db is some what realy complicated. The developer was working the data of his doctoral thesis on late bronze age settlements ...<br>
<br>That is about all I know about db use in archaeology (the interessting ones):<br>- their are some homebrewed db in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern<br>- some archaeological firms have made their own systems, often designed especially for their work flow<br>
<br>Conclusion, for myself I don't know about OpenSource Excavation managing tools, at almost in Germany. And I agree this could help many people in a great way, because we all are collection and sorting data, but programming the software to do this in an efficient way ... This does show me my limits, like to many others.<br>
<br><br><br>Greetings<br>Marcus<br><br><br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/14 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:archeos-dev-request@lists.linux.it">archeos-dev-request@lists.linux.it</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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From: Ricardo Gaid?o <<a href="mailto:caioviator@yahoo.com.br">caioviator@yahoo.com.br</a>><br>
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I really don't know if we are talking about two different web gis, with different goals:<br>
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1) A digital inventory based in GIS. Allowing to georeference and manage archaeological sites, providing for each: category, description, legal status, photos, drawings (...)<br>
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2) A archaeological excavation management tool. A software that can describe and organize archaeological stratigraphic units, their relations, artifacts inventory and graphic records in a similar way like:<br>
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Integrated Archaeological Database project<br>
<a href="http://www.iadb.org.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.iadb.org.uk/</a><br>
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Nabonidus<br>
<a href="http://www.nabonidus.org/features.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.nabonidus.org/features.aspx</a>)<br>
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ArchaeoCAD<br>
<a href="http://www.arctron.com/Software/System_Overview/" target="_blank">http://www.arctron.com/Software/System_Overview/</a><br>
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Stratify<br>
<a href="http://www.stratify.org/" target="_blank">http://www.stratify.org/</a><br>
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The Open Archaeology Software Suite (developing stage?)<br>
<a href="http://openarchaeology.net/contents/about" target="_blank">http://openarchaeology.net/contents/about</a><br>
<a href="https://launchpad.net/openarchaeology" target="_blank">https://launchpad.net/openarchaeology</a><br>
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or Harris Matrix Composer?<br>
<a href="http://www.harrismatrixcomposer.com/harris/" target="_blank">http://www.harrismatrixcomposer.com/harris/</a><br>
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There aren't many free/open, functional excavation management tools. The creation of such project would make easy the life of archaeologists around the globe and make more easy for them to share information, using common standards and open formats.<br>
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I think this option is very useful and even necessary. I don't see why Archaeology is different from sciences like Geography in the adoption of standard scientific criteria.<br>
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Chronological and regional particularities are always accessory and not crucial. In a database they can be turned off in contexts where they don't apply.<br>
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Fabrizio Furnari said:<br>
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Hi all,<br>
I apologize in advance for my ignorance on this as I'm not an archaeologist;<br>
in this moment I'll try only to put some questions about this project.<br>
The first question is about the market "our" software will try to break:<br>
aren't any specifical webgis for this that can be adapted for our purposes?<br>
I think we could be in competition with other minor softwares present on the<br>
scene...<br>
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The other question is about the possibility to extend the software to comply<br>
with other countries/research team specification. Do you think will be<br>
possible to set up a full-purpose database with features that can be<br>
activated/deactivated on the fly to match the situation's requests?<br>
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Last but not least I propose, to start this project that could be hardly<br>
bound to archeos, to use our github space to host the code/issues/wiki. As<br>
usual the URL is <a href="https://github.com/archeos/" target="_blank">https://github.com/archeos/</a> just let me know...<br>
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Fabrizio<br>
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