[FaSoLi] Fwd: Fw: [linuxppc-dev] Market research for new PowerPC system

[Marco Bertorello]

Non so se questo sia un mezzo pazzo o un genio...


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From: acrux <acrux_it@libero.it>
Date: 2009/10/15
Subject: Fw: [linuxppc-dev] Market research for new PowerPC system
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Konstantinos Margaritis markos at codex.gr
Sat Sep 26 21:38:38 EST 2009




(Sorry for the cross-posting, please ignore if you are not interested
in this, CC me as I'm not subscribed)
Hi,

First some introductions. I'm Konstantinos Margaritis, a long time
Amiga/BeOS/Linux user/developer and a PowerPC fan, former Debian
Developer, also a SIMD/AltiVec fanatic and the author of libfreevec.
I've posted this on the following sites:

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=29594&forum=33&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=49424

http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6465&forum=11

http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&topic_id=3768&forum=4

http://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/market_research_new_powerpc_system#comment-12604

To anyone who is not a PowerPC user, it might seem like crazy, but
here it goes:

I'm considering funding the design & production of a new PowerPC
system (well, the motherboard, the rest are typical pc stuff and a
case). No this is not a joke, I've been wanting to do this for a long
time, and perhaps the chance will be given to me now. But before I
spend any money on this, I want to do a little market research first.
I know the market is literally "dying" for a new powerpc motherboard,
but exactly how many are there that want to buy one?

Ok, let's give some rough specs first. I'm considering 3 choices -not
in order of probability/importance:

1. MPC8640D-based. It will be dual core at 1Ghz -most likely, higher
frequencies are much more expensive and the cost of the final board
would be prohibitive.
2. MPC8610-based. Single core at 1Ghz, slightly less expensive, and
includes a 2D DIU display unit -quite fast, but no 3D unfortunately.
3. QorIQ P1022-based. Again dual core at 1Ghz (1055Mhz to be precise).
Apart from the much lower chip price, this one includes dual gigabit
ethernet, dual SATA, USB 2.0 and a 2D DIU display unit (same as the
MPC8610). So this one would lower the cost of the board quite much.
Disadvantages: No AltiVec unit (it sucks I know), though it includes
an SPE unit which is not that bad, and availability will be in Q3/Q4
2010, so that's a long wait.

Now, the end motherboard will probably be MicroATX (in the 8640D/8610
case) or PicoITX (in the P1022 case), and it will definitely include:

* SATA connectors
* USB (possibly 2 back and 2 front, but that's discussable)
* Dual gigabit (at least one will be there, in the case of the
MPC8640D we might even have 4!!!)
* Sound (of course, SPDIF support will definitely be there)
* 1 PCI-e slot 1x
* 1 PCI-e slot (4x in the P1022 case, 8x in the MPC86xx cases)

Ok, what I want to know is if people would really really buy one of
these. End price is estimated to be ~around~ 350EUR for the P1022
board or ~500EUR (definitely more in the case of 8640D) in the case of
the other boards. Besides being more expensive, the MPC86xx chips,
don't include SATA, USB and only one of ethernet/sound (quad-gige in
MPC8640D case, or sound in the case of MPC8610). I know this sounds a
lot, but it's the reality, there is not enough funding to build
enormous amounts of units and bring the prices down substantially, we
have to start low and build up from there. In case you are wondering,
yes, the boards will be designed/produced by bPlan and funded by my
company (Codex).

Support for OSes: Linux definitely, Haiku most probably and there is a
possibility of supporting AmigaOS/MorphOS, which will depend on the
actual feedback I get from those users.

I would like to make a list of everyone that is really interested in
such a system, so it would really help me make a decision sooner
rather than later if you would send me a few personal details to markos
at codex.gr with subject "PowerPC board":

* Name
* Country
* email (definitely, I'd have to reach you back!)
* Phone/Skype (optional, please include international prefix)
* Forum you saw this post (ok, Morphzone in this case)
* OS of preference
* board you would be most interested in (MPC8610/MPC8640D/P1022)
* preferred price (please have in mind the estimated price quotes I
mentioned, it might be lower but that's not very probable)
* Other notes/comments

Also, I found out that I had to state my case on many forums to prove
that this is not vapourware. Well, it will not be vapourware, if I get
feedback. So far the feedback I got can be summarized here:

http://www.codex.gr/index.php?pageID=&blogItem=60

Thanks a lot for your time and I hope this system becomes a reality.

Konstantinos Margaritis

Codex.gr


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