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    Ciao Emiliano,<br>
    Secondo me ti stai confondendo con le dimensioni del <font
      color="#ff0000">metapacchetto</font> lxde, ovvero il pacchetto
    "fittizio" che una volta installato si porta dietro come dipendenze
    tutti i pacchetti "reali" relativi ai programmi dell'ambiente lxde;
    nel caso di Debian una volta installato il pacchetto in questione
    occupa circa 27kB.<br>
    <br>
    Pacchetto: lxde<br>
    Nuovo: sì<br>
    Stato: non installato<br>
    Versione: 4+nmu1<br>
    Priorità: opzionale<br>
    Sezione: <font color="#ff0000">metapackages</font><br>
    ...<br>
    <br>
    Quando tenti di installarlo puoi vedere quanti pacchetti si porta
    dietro e la dimensione totale da scaricare:<br>
    <br>
    # aptitude install lxde<br>
    I seguenti pacchetti NUOVI (NEW) saranno installati:<br>
      arj{a} bluez{a} crda{a} galculator gcr{a} gir1.2-atk-1.0{a}
    gir1.2-freedesktop{ab} gir1.2-gdkpixbuf-2.0{a}
    gir1.2-gnomebluetooth-1.0{a} gir1.2-gtk-3.0{a} gir1.2-pango-1.0{a}
    gksu <br>
      gnome-bluetooth{a} gnome-keyring{a} gpicview gvfs-backends{a}
    gvfs-fuse{a} iw{a} leafpad libcap2-bin{a} libelf1{a} libfm-data{a}
    libfm-gtk-bin{a} libfm-gtk1{a} libfm1{a} <br>
      libgck-1-0{a} libgcr-3-1{a} libgcr-3-common{a} libgksu2-0{a}
    libgnome-bluetooth10{a} libgtop2-7{a} libgtop2-common{a}
    libimlib2{a} libiw30{a} libjim0debian2{a} libjpeg-progs{a} <br>
      libmagickwand5{a} libmenu-cache1{a} libnl-genl-3-200{a}
    libnm-glib-vpn1{a} libnm-glib4{a} libnm-gtk-common{a} libnm-gtk0{a}
    libnm-util2{a} libobrender27{a} libobt0{a} libopenobex1{a} <br>
      libpam-cap{a} libpam-gnome-keyring{a} librpm3{a} librpmbuild3{a}
    librpmio3{a} librpmsign1{a} libwnck-common{a} libwnck22{a}
    libxmmsclient-glib1{a} libxmmsclient6{a} libxres1{a} <br>
      lxappearance lxde lxde-common lxde-core lxde-icon-theme lxinput
    lxmenu-data{a} lxmusic lxpanel lxpolkit lxrandr lxsession{a}
    lxsession-edit lxshortcut lxterminal menu-xdg <br>
      mobile-broadband-provider-info{a} modemmanager{a}
    network-manager{a} network-manager-gnome obconf{a}
    obex-data-server{a} obexd-client{a} openbox openbox-themes{a}
    pcmanfm <br>
      policykit-1-gnome{a} ppp{a} rpm{a} rpm-common{a} rpm2cpio{a}
    usb-modeswitch{a} usb-modeswitch-data{a} wireless-regdb{a}
    wpasupplicant{a} xarchiver xmms2-core{a} xmms2-plugin-alsa{a} <br>
      xmms2-plugin-id3v2{a} xmms2-plugin-mad{a} xmms2-plugin-vorbis{a}
    xscreensaver xscreensaver-data{a} <br>
    0 pacchetti aggiornati, 101 installati, 0 da rimuovere e 1 non
    aggiornati.<br>
    <font color="#ff0000">È necessario prelevare 30,5 MB di archivi</font>.
    <font color="#ff0000">Dopo l'estrazione, verranno occupati 86,0 MB</font>.<br>
    <br>
    Simone<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 29/11/2014 19:50, Fabrizio Carrai
      wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAJXPg6Lab9em-as-o5xFGgMSCBXVEvGovqj1nEsmh6CagBgkBQ@mail.gmail.com"
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      <div dir="ltr">30 kb mi sembra un numero piccolo per quanto
        riguarda lo spazio disco, controlla bene.
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        <div>Comunque dovendo cercare una metrica per i vari Ambienti
          Desktop, parlerei di occupazione di RAM, anche se il valore
          sarà estremamente variabile, in base alle varie funzioni che
          si attivano.Un primissimo numero di cui terrei conto è la
          memoria occupata all'avvio, lanciando il solo comando top,
          htop o similare, senza altri applicativi in esecuzione.
          Nell'utilizzo aumenterà, ma da un'idea dell'occupazione dei
          servizi ritenuti minimi.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">Il giorno 29 novembre 2014 17:18,
          Emiliano Agostini <span dir="ltr"><<a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:beviugo2@gmail.com"
              target="_blank">beviugo2@gmail.com</a>></span> ha
          scritto:<br>
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            <p dir="ltr">Parlando in termini di spazio su disco,
              l'ambiente  LXDE occupa solo 30 kb , mentre per l'ambiente
              XFCE4 31 kb.<br>
              Mi chiedevo se fosse realmente così, perché il download 
              per esempio di XFCE4 è di 30 Mb.<br>
              Mi è sfuggito qualcosa? </p>
            <p dir="ltr">Emiliano.</p>
            <div class="gmail_quote">Il 29/Nov/2014 10:39 "Fabrizio
              Carrai" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:fabrizio.carrai@gmail.com" target="_blank">fabrizio.carrai@gmail.com</a>>
              ha scritto:
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                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                    .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                    <div dir="ltr">Da quello che ho visto non c'è
                      nemmeno bisogno della virtualizzazione. Si possono
                      installre tutti i "Desktop Environment" e
                      semplicemente selezionarli al login.
                      <div><br>
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                      <div>Conoscerne bene uno tanto da poterne parlare
                        è già un certo impegno, presentarne più di uno è
                        sicuramente difficile! Dovremo fare una bella
                        azione corale...</div>
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                      <div>Ovviamente interessato!</div>
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                      <div>Fabrizio</div>
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">Il giorno 24 novembre
                        2014 12:48, simone <span dir="ltr"><<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:njkjta@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank">njkjta@gmail.com</a>></span>
                        ha scritto:<br>
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                          0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
                          solid;padding-left:1ex">
                          <p dir="ltr">...Oppure organizziamo con il
                            Gulli un talk about di presentazione sui
                            vari ambienti desktop, magari con l'ausilio
                            della virtualizzazione, così da fare
                            confronti in parallelo tra i DE più diffusi
                            e dare un'idea concreta ai novizi della
                            varietà e elasticità di linux.</p>
                          <p dir="ltr">Che ne pensate?</p>
                          <div class="gmail_quote">Il 24/nov/2014 12:32
                            "Elphio" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:elphio@gmail.com"
                              target="_blank">elphio@gmail.com</a>>
                            ha scritto:
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                                  <div dir="ltr">Il problema è che i
                                    vari DE si tirano dietro anche i
                                    loro tool (e per KDE in particolare
                                    sono un miliardo).<br>
                                    Quindi ci ritroveremo con 4 file
                                    manager, 4 unarchiver, 4 programmi
                                    di scrittura ecc... ecc...</div>
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                                    <div class="gmail_quote">Il giorno
                                      14 novembre 2014 22:16, Fabrizio
                                      Carrai <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:fabrizio.carrai@gmail.com"
                                          target="_blank">fabrizio.carrai@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                      ha scritto:<br>
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                                          <div>Quando si parla di Linux,
                                            si parla sempre di libertà
                                            di scelta: scelta della
                                            distribuzione, scelta
                                            dell'ambiente del desktop
                                            (Desktop Environment: XFCE,
                                            KDE, etc...). Per scegliere
                                            quale è quello che fa per
                                            noi (e per il nostro
                                            computer...) non c'è altro
                                            modo che provarli tutti. Ma
                                            come si fa a provare diversi
                                            ambienti ?</div>
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                                          </div>
                                          <div>In Linux Mint la cosa è
                                            molto semplice:</div>
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                                            <ol
                                              style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'Times
                                              New
                                              Roman';font-size:medium">
                                              <li
                                                style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;font-family:'Lucida
                                                Sans Unicode','Trebuchet
MS',Verdana,monospace;margin-top:7px;margin-bottom:7px">sudo apt-get
                                                install xfce4</li>
                                              <li
                                                style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;font-family:'Lucida
                                                Sans Unicode','Trebuchet
MS',Verdana,monospace;margin-top:7px;margin-bottom:7px">sudo apt-get
                                                install cinnamon</li>
                                              <li
                                                style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;font-family:'Lucida
                                                Sans Unicode','Trebuchet
MS',Verdana,monospace;margin-top:7px;margin-bottom:7px">
                                                <div>sudo apt-get
                                                  install mint-meta-mate
                                                  (in altre
                                                  distribuzioni potrebbe
                                                  essere diverso)</div>
                                              </li>
                                              <li
                                                style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;font-family:'Lucida
                                                Sans Unicode','Trebuchet
MS',Verdana,monospace;margin-top:7px;margin-bottom:7px">sudo apt-get
                                                install kde-full</li>
                                            </ol>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>preceduti da un "sudo
                                            apt-get update". Al boot
                                            appare la finestra di login
                                            e nell'angolo in alto a
                                            destra è possibile
                                            selezionare.l'ambiente che
                                            desideriamo utilizzare.</div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>Ora non rimane che dare
                                            il proprio giudizio!</div>
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                                          <div>A presto!</div>
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                                                  [1] <a
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