<div dir="ltr">Si il messaggio è' arrivato due volte, ma nessun problema...Spero che Lorenzo (che ho rivisto con piacere all' evento del GULLi di sabato scorso) ti chiarisca il punto.<div>Per quello che ne so io "Wikimedia foundation" è l'ente americano che gestisce le strutture di Wikipedia. "Wikimedia Italia" (e non "Wikipedia Italia") è un associazione italiana a cui ho più volte fatto riferimento. Non so se c'è un flusso di soldi da una parte all'altra.</div><div><br></div><div>Resta la mia opinione che un caso, seppure su un argomento a noi sensibile, non può far cambiare il valore di un progetto cosi grande ed importante.</div><div><br></div><div>A presto</div><div><br></div><div>Fabrizio</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">Il giorno 9 ottobre 2015 17:18, Roberto Orselli <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:orselli@smartex.it" target="_blank">orselli@smartex.it</a>></span> ha scritto:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    A questo:<br>
    <br>
    <p style="display:block"> <a href="https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:LandingCheck?basic=true&landing_page=Problems_donating&country=IT&language=it&uselang=it" target="_blank">Hai

        problemi con la donazione?</a> | <a href="https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:LandingCheck?basic=true&landing_page=Ways_to_Give&country=IT&language=it&uselang=it" target="_blank">Altri

        modi per donare</a> | <a href="https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:LandingCheck?landing_page=FAQ&basic=true&country=IT&language=it&uselang=it" target="_blank">Domande

        frequenti</a> | <span>Donando,
        accetti la nostra <a href="https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:LandingCheck?basic=true&landing_page=Donor_policy&country=IT&language=it&uselang=it" target="_blank">politica

          della privacy del donatore</a> e di condividere le tue
        informazioni con la Wikimedia Foundation e i suoi servizi
        forniti negli USA e nel mondo.</span> <span>*Se fai una donazione ricorrente, ti
        verrà addebitato l'importo dalla Wikimedia Foundation finché non
        ci dirai di smettere. Ti invieremo una mail di fattura per ogni
        pagamento, che includerà un link a delle <a href="https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:LandingCheck?basic=true&landing_page=Cancel_or_change_recurring_payments&country=IT&language=it&uselang=it" target="_blank">semplici

          istruzioni per la cancellazione.</a></span> </p>
    E' in piccolo sotto il discorso sulla donazione<br>
    <br>
    <br></span>
    PS non so se vi arriverà due volte, nel caso mi scuso in anticipo<span class=""><br>
    <br>
    <div>Il 08/10/2015 21:24, Fabrizio Carrai ha
      scritto:<br>
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        <div>A quale scritte ti riferisci ?</div>
        <div><br>
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        <div>A presto</div>
        <div>F.</div>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">Il giorno 8 ottobre 2015 13:09,
            Roberto Orselli <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:orselli@smartex.it" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:orselli@smartex.it" target="_blank">orselli@smartex.it</a>></span> ha
            scritto:<br>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
              <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><b> Quindi se faccio
                  una donazione i soldi non vanno a Wikipedia Italia, ma
                  alla Wikimedia Foundation di base negli US</b>? Questo
                sembra a leggere la scritta in piccolo.<br>
                E ciò va bene, secondo voi?<br>
                <br>
                Capisco l'incazzatura di chi si vede cancellare una voce
                a cui tiene particolarmente, però mi sembra che ci siano
                anche parecchie cose positive. Duri e puri si rimane in
                due...<br>
                <br>
                Aspetto le vostre opinioni<span><font color="#888888"><br>
                    Roberto</font></span>
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                  <div><br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    <div>Il 07/10/2015 20:11, Fabrizio Carrai ha
                      scritto:<br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">Io invece  vado a farlo adesso ;-)!
                        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                          <div class="gmail_quote">Il giorno 7 ottobre
                            2015 20:10, Rebecca B. <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rebecca.b.9292@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:rebecca.b.9292@gmail.com" target="_blank">rebecca.b.9292@gmail.com</a>></span>
                            ha scritto:<br>
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                              <p dir="ltr">In attesa di informazioni ho
                                bloccato il rid..... </p>
                              <span>
                                <p dir="ltr">_________________________<br>
                                  Con i sinceri saluti. Rebecca B. </p>
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                                  <div class="gmail_quote">Il
                                    07/ott/2015 20:08, "Enrico,Celanti"
                                    <<a href="mailto:celanti@alice.it" target="_blank">celanti@alice.it</a>>

                                    ha scritto:<br type="attribution">
                                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                      <div bgcolor="#CCFFFF" text="#000000"> <font size="+1"><font face="Calibri">Sono un mezzo
                                            profano e quindi non ho
                                            capito l'oggetto del
                                            contendere (alpha, fork ...
                                            ) ma siccome di accingevo a
                                            sostenere wikipedia mi
                                            piacerebbe sapere il perché
                                            <font face="Calibri">(nei
                                              dettagli<font face="Calibri">) di
                                                questa personale presa
                                                di posizione.<br>
                                                <font face="Calibri">Vi
                                                  ringrazio se potete
                                                  aiutarmi a capire.
                                                  Grazie </font><br>
                                              </font></font></font></font>
                                        <div><b><br>
                                            Enrico Celanti</b><br>
                                          <br>
                                          Il presente messaggio ed i
                                          suoi allegati sono riservati
                                          al destinatario e <br>
                                          possono contenere materiale
                                          confidenziale. E' vietata
                                          qualsiasi divulgazione, <br>
                                          anche parziale, delle
                                          informazioni in essi
                                          contenute.<br>
                                          Informativa ex art.13 D.Lgs.
                                          196/2003 </div>
                                        <div><br>
                                          <br>
                                          <br>
                                          <br>
                                          <br>
                                          Il 07/10/2015 15.50, a.
                                          scapuzzi ha scritto:<br>
                                        </div>
                                        <blockquote type="cite">
                                          <p dir="ltr">Non credo di sia
                                            immeravigliato....lacensura
                                            (o boicottaggio su
                                            pressione) non è
                                            ammissibile: mai!</p>
                                          <p dir="ltr">Pero ogni
                                            situazione va sempre
                                            analizzata in ogni sua
                                            sfaccettatura e poi ognuno è
                                            libero di agire come ritiene
                                            piu giusto...anche smettendo
                                            di sostenere w.<br>
                                            <br>
                                            <br>
                                            <br>
                                          </p>
                                          <div class="gmail_quote">Il
                                            07/ott/2015 14:54, "Alberto
                                            Cortesi" <<a href="mailto:cortesialberto@tiscali.it" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:cortesialberto@tiscali.it" target="_blank">cortesialberto@tiscali.it</a>>


                                            ha scritto:<br type="attribution">
                                            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">È
                                              sicuramente un attacco al
                                              progetto.<br>
                                              Lo è oggettivamente ed
                                              indiscutibilmente...<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Ovviamente, come tutti i
                                              media di informazione e
                                              divulgazione della
                                              conoscenza, anche
                                              wikipedia deve fare i
                                              conti con la politica e
                                              l'economia di privati e
                                              compagnie, e come tutti i
                                              media ed istituti
                                              enciclopedici,  devono
                                              anche loro sottostare a
                                              determinati compromessi
                                              tra verità effettive,
                                              verità di comodo, falsità
                                              passate come verità e
                                              verità fasulle, la storia
                                              lo insegna...<br>
                                              Persino l'insegnamento
                                              scolastico ed
                                              universitario odierno ( e
                                              passato) sono basati su
                                              dettami politici del
                                              momento....<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Di che ti meravigli?<br>
                                              <br>
                                              <br>
                                              <br>
                                              <br>
                                              Il 07/10/2015 00:41, Giu
                                              ha scritto:<br>
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                                                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                  <br>
                                                  Non avrei mai
                                                  immaginato di scrivere
                                                  una email del genere
                                                  ma, ancora una volta,<br>
                                                  noi Italiani ci
                                                  facciamo riconoscere
                                                  per quanto poca
                                                  materia grigia
                                                  abbiamo.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Negli anni, ho visto
                                                  fare alcune cose
                                                  strane da alcuni admin
                                                  Italiani di wikipedia
                                                  ma tra ieri<br>
                                                  e oggi ho visto
                                                  qualcosa di surreale.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  E’ stato deciso di
                                                  rimuovere la pagina su
                                                  wikipedia di Devuan in
                                                  quanto (riporto quanto
                                                  indicato)<br>
                                                  “… è una alfa… e un
                                                  semplice fork...”<br>
                                                  Oltre a pensare che
                                                  chi abbia scritto
                                                  questa motivazione non
                                                  sappia nemmeno che in
                                                  informatica<br>
                                                  si parla di alpha e
                                                  non alfa, devo
                                                  immaginare che questo
                                                  sia un attacco diretto
                                                  al progetto.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Alpha è anche la
                                                  debian testing e un
                                                  fork è Ubuntu, per
                                                  coerenza mi aspetterei
                                                  che anche<br>
                                                  queste pagine vengano
                                                  rimosse quanto prima.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Ancora una volta gli
                                                  *itagliani* (con il
                                                  gl) non hanno evitato
                                                  di fare brutte figure
                                                  danneggiando un<br>
                                                  progetto tutto
                                                  Italiano.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Spero che venga fatta
                                                  chiarezza ma nel
                                                  frattempo vi consiglio
                                                  caldamente di non
                                                  sostenere in alcun
                                                  modo<br>
                                                  Wikipedia Italia.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Giu<br>
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                              <div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><i>Fabrizio</i><br>
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              <div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><i>Fabrizio</i><br>
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