<p dir="ltr">Dato che io sono assente da molto al LUG voglio CONDIVIDERE con voi ciò che sono i miei ricordi del LUG: ricordo che si aiutavano le persone ad avvicinarsi al mondo dell'Open spiegando ed insegnando quali programmi usare e come usarli ricordo che si aiutava ad installare Linux sui PC o si aiutava a configurare qualche periferica, ricordo il fallimentare progetto trashware che aveva trasformato il forum giovani in un deposito di CRT ma ha anche procurato(se ricordo bene) due PC alla misericordia.<br>
Ma ricordo soprattutto di essermi divertito e di aver conosciuto delle persone fantastiche, che è anche uno dei motivi per cui sono ritornato.<br>
Per quanto riguarda il Linux Day io personalmente (almeno quelli a cui ho partecipato attivamente o da visitatore) mi sono sempre divertito. Farlo in un posto o in un altro certo può influenzare molto le presenze esterne per innumerevoli motivi. Cosa presentare o portare alla fine è rilevante fino ad un certo punto, specialmente se ogni uno di noi vede il LD in maniera differente. Io penso che dovrebbe servire anche a far sapere alle persone che esistono alternative al mondo del PC che loro conoscono, non vedo perché non mettere dei PC di prova con varie distro o delle bancarelle o, anche se le solite, delle presentazioni, e se ci fossero interessati magari anche una installazione di dimostrazione. Almeno io la vedo in questo modo e non intendo offendere nessuno ne tantomeno avviare discussioni infinite che non portano a nulla.<br>
Penso che la condivisione delle nostre conoscenze ed anche delle esperienze sia fondamentale ma il pubblico interessato è quello che è e fare in modo che ci sia non è mai stato facile, sicuramente promuovere sui social(che molti usano) può aiutare. Fare serate a tema o corsi è sicuramente istruttivo (io per primo ricordo di aver imparato come usare al livello base GIMP). I vari progetti(terminati in corso o da avviare) richiedono tempo e penso che la maggior parte di noi non ne abbia abbastanza e non credo che una o due ore a settimana possano bastare per portare a termine certi progetti(se quindi procedono lentamente non ci vedo nulla di male). Io per primo devo ammettere che la sera quando rientro dal lavoro non sempre ho voglia o tempo per mettermi a lavorare, però poter aiutare una persona come ad esempio Pierluigi a me fa molto piacere.<br>
Ci tengo a ribadire che ho voluto solo darvi la mia misera opinione e data l'ora non ho voglia di rileggere per cercare errori vari. Buona notte!</p>

<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Il giorno mer 30 set 2015 00:23 Alek Mugnozzo <<a href="mailto:mugnozzo@gmail.com" target="_blank">mugnozzo@gmail.com</a>> ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Premessa<br>
Ci ho messo 70 minuti a scrivere/cancellare e riscrivere infinite volte questa mail perché ogni volta che la rileggevo mi sembrava di essere offensivo e non voglio esserlo assolutamente con nessuno.<br>
Solo che nella lingua scritta purtroppo non esistono toni di voce e altri strumenti per dare un tono alla conversazione, quindi specifico qui che il tono di questa mail è puramente costruttivo e non voglio che qualcuno si senta accusato, perché non è così.</p>
<p dir="ltr">@Matteo: magari la memoria mi inganna ma il numero di persone venute l'anno scorso ad Artemisia era più o meno lo stesso dell'anno in cui si fece al Lug, del quale io non ho un ricordo così disastroso.</p>
<p dir="ltr">@Stefano: io a te ti voglio un bene che non te lo immagini, quindi spero che tu prenda quello che sto per scrivere come un commento costruttivo, perché è quello che vuole essere: parli di zero stimoli, zero serate a tema, ma te quante ne hai fatte? Avevamo anche cambiato il giorno degli incontri per te. Noi nel nostro piccolo in quattro gatti ci siamo sempre stati, non abbiamo concluso molto ma il progetto del Book Scanner sta andando avanti, seppur lentamente.<br>
Gli stimoli durante l'anno devono partire dai soci. Non ci si può lamentare che non c'è attività se non la si crea.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Alla fine te e Matteo vi siete presentati ora solo per il Linux Day, quindi (anche qui non voglio offendere nessuno, ma solo discutere pacificamente) sembrerebbe che il LUG per voi sia solo quello...</p>
<p dir="ltr">Se deve essere così allora facciamo l'associazione Lucca Linux Day. Ci troviamo solo a Settembre/Ottobre per organizzare il LD e si fa festa il resto dell'anno.</p>
<p dir="ltr">@Stefano e @Gabriele:<br>
Stefano si riferisce alla presentazione del progetto che si fece mesi e mesi fa.<br>
Ma il 24 ottobre, più che presentare il progetto saremmo lì a costruirlo (o perfezionarlo, se il modello base fosse già costruito).</p>
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    a proposito, al momento ci sono 45 luoghi in Italia dove si svolgerà
    il LD per circa 35/40 città. Non male visto che molti si registrano
    l'ultimo mese, e che di solo il LD si attesta su 60 città coinvolte
    circa ;-)<br>
    <br>
    <a href="http://www.linuxday.it/" target="_blank">http://www.linuxday.it/</a><br>
    <br>
    <div>Il 29/09/2015 21:20, Stefano
      Giovacchini ha scritto:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">Eccomi qua, il principale sostenitore del Linux day
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>fare il LD non è solo fare quello che l'associazione si
        propone per statuto, divulgare il free-software, ma anche
        mantenere attivo il LUG nel tessuto nazionale, a maggior ragione
        se fosse  un  momento di crisi per il Linux Day (tutto da
        verificare questa cosa). </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Il LD non escluso di impegnarci nelle serate durante l'anno,
        è solo una cosa in più, più visibile, più comunicata, più
        partecipata</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Questo anno passato dimostra che senza stimoli non esiste
        risultato ( 0, dico zero, serate organizzate)</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Non fare il LinuxDay, e poi partecipare ad un OpenDay che
        promuove una società, nello specicifico Multiverso cioè una
        società con ovvi  scopi di lucro, mi sembra insensato </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>io non  sento di dovermi misurare la febbre, il mio interesse
        per il FreeSoftware è genuino, e non ha bisogno di prove o
        dimostrazioni. </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>ad ogni Linux Day aggiungiamo qualche socio , visto l'alto
        numero di tesserati nel 2016, credo che sia utile</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Il Linux Day per me si può fare in qualsiasi posto (magari
        alcuni posti sono più belli di altri, diciamo così..), ma siete
        sicuri di ripresentare il bookscanner? Non lo avevamo già
        presentato? Io punterei a parlare di ciò che sappiamo, di ciò
        che amiamo, e di come usiamo linux quotidianamente.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Credo che il LUG debba ricostituirsi sul territorio, nel
        tessuto sociale, riallacciare il dialogo con le istituioni (come
        mai per un FabLab al Polo tecnologico è stato interpellato
        l'ITIS e non noi?)</div>
      <div>Quale miglior evento se non il LinuxDay? Basta organizzarlo
        senza angosce, preparare qualche volantino sulle future serate,
        e fare un bel rinfresco.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>passo e chiudo</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div><br>
        Il giorno mar 29 set 2015 alle 20:56, Matteo Lucchesi
        <a href="mailto:matteo156@gmail.com" target="_blank"><matteo156@gmail.com></a> ha scritto:<br>
        <blockquote type="cite">
          <div dir="ltr">Io sono favorevole la linux day. 
            <div>Da quando è nato il Luccalug il linux day è stato il
              "nostro" evento principale, la scusa per impegnarsi un po
              di più, per passare una giornata insieme e sopratutto fare
              gruppo.</div>
            <div>Io sono convinto che non farlo non farà altro che
              peggiorare le cose in termini di partecipazione. Come già
              scritto penso che sarebbe un'ottima occasione per
              presentare il programma delle pillole da tenere durante
              l'anno e organizzare 3/4 stand non richiederebbe un enorme
              sforzo (ieri sera abbiamo visto che 3 banchetti
              io/Stefano/Alessio saremmo in grado di farli a costo
              praticamente zero). Oltre ovviamente al buffet!
              Fondamentale.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>In ogni caso il punto è rispondere alla domanda, meglio
              un linuxday light o niente? Si, perchè farlo al forum
              giovani secondo me equivale a non farlo.</div>
            <div>Quando lo abbiamo fatto è stata una delle peggiori
              edizioni per partecipazione, nonostante fossimo in un
              periodo molto buono.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Ripeto a me dispiacerebbe che non fosse fatto e dal
              punto di vista comunicativo ritengo sarebbe un autogol.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Sono invece d'accordo per il lavoro sui social.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
          </div>
          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
            <div class="gmail_quote">Il giorno 29 settembre 2015 17:03,
              Manuel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:origin.of@gmail.com" target="_blank">origin.of@gmail.com</a>></span>
              ha scritto:<br>
              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                <div dir="ltr">Secondo me il giorno del Linux Day
                  dobbiamo andare a pranzare con una pizza.
                  <div>Le pillole di free software/open hardware le
                    possiamo fare i lunedì sera.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Poi per il fatto di guadagnare nuovi interessati
                    io farei due cose, la prima è quella di perdere 15
                    minuti ogni Lunedì nel buttare giù frasi da scrivere
                    sui vari social net. e usare un servizio tipo <a href="http://buffer.com" target="_blank">buffer.com</a> per programmare i
                    post sia su twitter, fb, g+, ecc. così li scriviamo
                    tutti il lunedì e poi partono nei giorno successivi;
                    come seconda cosa fare tanti adesivi da attaccare
                    sugli stop e sui pali della luce come fanno i veri
                    tamarri.</div>
                  <div>Poi non ricordo se già lo si fece, ma non sarebbe
                    male stampare qualche volantino e spammare
                    all'uscita delle scuole, il sabato.</div>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <div><br>
                    <div class="gmail_quote">
                      <div dir="ltr">Il giorno mar 29 set 2015 alle ore
                        16:43 Gabriele Tenucci <<a href="mailto:gabriele.tenucci@gmail.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:gabriele.tenucci@gmail.com" target="_blank">gabriele.tenucci@gmail.com</a></a>>
                        ha scritto:<br>
                      </div>
                      <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                        <div dir="ltr">
                          <div>
                            <div>Guarda che l'idea che era venuta fuori
                              l'altra volta era, il giorno del linux day
                              si viene al lug e si lavora al book
                              scanner. Gli altri possono venire e fare
                              domande o guardare un po' in giro.<br>
                            </div>
                            Quello che dico di fare è una cosa simile,
                            ma un po' più grande, dove facciamo prima
                            una conferenza di presentazione dei
                            cambiamenti che vogliamo fare quest'anno,
                            poi magari ognuno fa delle mini conferenze
                            dove presenta i progetti che sta sviluppando
                            (appunto, book scanner, soundberry, altro),
                            e poi ci si mette al lavoro.<br>
                          </div>
                          Secondo me presentare questo nuovo approccio
                          non sarebbe una brutta idea, e magari dedicare
                          una giornata a quello può farci guadagnare
                          nuovi interessati (sicuramente più che a non
                          fare niente). Sarebbe anche meno impegnativa
                          come cosa, perché non c'è da preparare niente
                          di che, solo presentare il progetto e
                          continuare a lavorarci (che in teoria è anche
                          un divertimento per chi lo fa).<br>
                          <div><br>
                            <div>
                              <div>Diciamoci la verità, il linux day per
                                come dovrebbe essere non ha più motivo
                                di esistere. Quello che abbiamo fatto in
                                questi ultimi anni è tutto fuorché un
                                linux day. Spiegare il perché di questa
                                scelta <br>
                                a voce piuttosto che con un comunicatino
                                del cavolo sul sito manda anche il
                                messaggio che a noi comunque interessa e
                                non è che lo saltiamo perché non abbiamo
                                voglia di farlo, ma solo perché secondo
                                noi non ha senso farlo e ci dedichiamo a
                                sviluppare altri progetti, che magari
                                con linux c'entrano solo marginalmente.<br>
                                <br>
                              </div>
                              <div>Poi fatecome vi pare, io voterei per
                                fare una giornata di questo tipo (che
                                comunque non è un linux day, ma solo una
                                presentazione del nostro nuovo approccio
                                e dei progetti in sviluppo).<br>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                          <div class="gmail_quote">Il giorno 29
                            settembre 2015 16:29, Manuel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:origin.of@gmail.com" target="_blank">origin.of@gmail.com</a>></span>
                            ha scritto:<br>
                            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                              <div dir="ltr">Tenucci, così è un Linux
                                Day che non vogliamo passi per Linux Day
                                nel giorno del Linux Day.
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>Sinceramente sono d'accordo con
                                  Alessio, non fare il Linux Day per
                                  ricaricare le batterie. Non impegnarsi
                                  per quest'anno ma impegnarsi di più
                                  nell'attività settimanale e nei vari
                                  progetti.</div>
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div><br>
                                      <div>
                                        <div class="gmail_quote">
                                          <div dir="ltr">Il giorno mar
                                            29 set 2015 alle ore 16:19
                                            Gabriele Tenucci <<a href="mailto:gabriele.tenucci@gmail.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:gabriele.tenucci@gmail.com" target="_blank">gabriele.tenucci@gmail.com</a></a>>
                                            ha scritto:<br>
                                          </div>
                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                            <div dir="ltr">
                                              <div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div>Se invece si
                                                        facesse una via
                                                        di mezzo fra le
                                                        due cose?<br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      Ufficialmente non
                                                      sarebbe un linux
                                                      day, così ci si
                                                      evita anche la
                                                      parte burocratica,
                                                      però si potrebbe
                                                      ad esempio fare
                                                      una mini
                                                      conferenza
                                                      iniziale dove
                                                      presentiamo il
                                                      progetto del book
                                                      scanner, e poi
                                                      metterci a
                                                      lavorare a quello,
                                                      nel caso non fosse
                                                      ancora finito. Nel
                                                      frattempo potremmo
                                                      avere alcuni
                                                      banchetti un po'
                                                      così, dove magari
                                                      il martinelli
                                                      lavora a
                                                      soundberry (che al
                                                      100% non sarà
                                                      finita prima del
                                                      2027), poi
                                                      potremmo usare dei
                                                      computer che
                                                      abbiamo lì come
                                                      distro di prova
                                                      per chi fosse
                                                      interessato, poi
                                                      in un banco magari
                                                      uno aggeggia con
                                                      blender e fa
                                                      vedere un po' di
                                                      cose, ecc...<br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    Insomma, non un
                                                    linux day, ma una
                                                    giornata in cui
                                                    ognuno fa quello che
                                                    preferisce fare
                                                    portando avanti i
                                                    propri progetti, e
                                                    gli altri possono
                                                    dare un'occhiata, in
                                                    modo da avere
                                                    un'idea di quello
                                                    che si vorrebbe fare
                                                    da quest'anno.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  PS: <br>
                                                  ovviamente il
                                                  rinfresco è d'obbligo
                                                  :D<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                </div>
                                                PPS:</div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div dir="ltr">
                                              <div><br>
                                                "perché come socio ho a
                                                cuore le decisioni di <b>tutta</b>
                                                l'associazione e non
                                                solo le mie idee
                                                personali."<br>
                                              </div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div dir="ltr">Ho come
                                              l'impressione che si
                                              avvicini il giorno
                                              dell'elezione del
                                              presidente :P<br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                              <div class="gmail_quote">Il
                                                giorno 29 settembre 2015
                                                13:36, Alek Mugnozzo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mugnozzo@gmail.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:mugnozzo@gmail.com" target="_blank">mugnozzo@gmail.com</a></a>></span>
                                                ha scritto:<br>
                                                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                  <div dir="ltr">
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div>Salve a
                                                        tutti,<br>
                                                        Bollono in
                                                        pentola
                                                        questioni che,
                                                        visti i tempi,
                                                        devono essere
                                                        sbrigate con la
                                                        massima urgenza.<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        Premesse:<br>
                                                        <ul>
                                                          <li>ieri sera
                                                          sono venute
                                                          fuori delle
                                                          idee che avrei
                                                          preferito
                                                          fossero state
                                                          dette prima
                                                          (visto che
                                                          abbiamo la
                                                          mailing list
                                                          apposta)
                                                          contrastanti
                                                          con la
                                                          quasi-decisione
                                                          di non fare il
                                                          Linux Day;</li>
                                                          <li>l'assemblea
                                                          per deciderlo
                                                          sarebbe
                                                          fissata il 12,
                                                          come avevo
                                                          detto nella
                                                          mail in cui ne
                                                          parlavo.<br>
                                                          </li>
                                                        </ul>
                                                        <br>
                                                        Problema:<br>
                                                        <ul>
                                                          <li>il 12 è
                                                          tra 2 Lunedì e
                                                          i tempi sono
                                                          un po'
                                                          strettini,
                                                          quindi sarebbe
                                                          bene già
                                                          Lunedì
                                                          prossimo (il
                                                          5) essere
                                                          presenti in
                                                          più persone
                                                          possibile per
                                                          parlarne e poi
                                                          formalizzare
                                                          la decisione
                                                          il 12 (così
                                                          intanto se si
                                                          decide di fare
                                                          il Linux Day
                                                          abbiamo più
                                                          tempo per
                                                          organizzarci).</li>
                                                        </ul>
                                                        <br>
                                                        Nel frattempo,
                                                        visto che
                                                        abbiamo una
                                                        mailing list, mi
                                                        piacerebbe che
                                                        ciascuno
                                                        scrivesse la
                                                        propria
                                                        opinione, perché
                                                        io personalmente
                                                        voterei per NON
                                                        fare il Linux
                                                        Day, però mi
                                                        piace che le
                                                        decisioni
                                                        vengano prese
                                                        democraticamente,
                                                        e se ne
                                                        discutiamo già
                                                        ora in Mailing
                                                        List, la gente
                                                        arriva il giorno
                                                        dell'assemblea
                                                        con le idee più
                                                        chiare e non c'è
                                                        il rischio che
                                                        voti una cosa
                                                        per poi cambiare
                                                        idea qualche
                                                        giorno dopo.<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        Invito quindi
                                                        tutti
                                                        (soprattutto
                                                        quelli che ieri
                                                        sera hanno posto
                                                        la questione) a
                                                        scrivere in
                                                        questa
                                                        conversazione se
                                                        e perché
                                                        vogliono o non
                                                        vogliono fare il
                                                        Linux Day,
                                                        perché è giusto
                                                        che ciascuno
                                                        conosca e si
                                                        confronti con le
                                                        opinioni di
                                                        tutti gli altri.
                                                        Scrivere una
                                                        mail costa 10
                                                        minuti.<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        In ogni caso, se
                                                        la maggioranza
                                                        decide di farlo,
                                                        parteciperò e mi
                                                        impegnerò al
                                                        massimo (come se
                                                        fossi stato io
                                                        stesso a volerlo
                                                        fare) affinché
                                                        riesca bene,
                                                        perché come
                                                        socio ho a cuore
                                                        le decisioni di
                                                        <b>tutta</b>
                                                        l'associazione e
                                                        non solo le mie
                                                        idee personali.<br>
                                                        Allo stesso modo
                                                        spero che in
                                                        caso contrario,
                                                        se il LD non
                                                        verrà fatto, chi
                                                        lo voleva fare
                                                        non lo usi come
                                                        scusa per
                                                        abbandonare il
                                                        LUG, ma
                                                        partecipi
                                                        attivamente
                                                        durante tutto
                                                        l'anno alle
                                                        serate a tema,
                                                        agli incontri e
                                                        ai vari progetti
                                                        che proporremo.
                                                        <br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        Per concludere
                                                        scrivo la mia
                                                        opinione (e,
                                                        ripeto, invito
                                                        tutti a fare lo
                                                        stesso):<br>
                                                        <ul>
                                                          <li>per me NON
                                                          fare il Linux
                                                          Day non è un
                                                          tradimento
                                                          alla comunità
                                                          linuxiana
                                                          italiana, ma
                                                          un semplice
                                                          modo per
                                                          concentrare le
                                                          nostre forze
                                                          su dei
                                                          progetti
                                                          concreti che
                                                          poi useremo
                                                          per promuovere
                                                          l'utilizzo di
                                                          tutto ciò che
                                                          è Free e Open
                                                          con serate a
                                                          tema e altri
                                                          eventi;</li>
                                                          <li>credo che
                                                          se ci
                                                          impegnassimo
                                                          durante l'anno
                                                          a fare i
                                                          nostri
                                                          progetti e a
                                                          portare dentro
                                                          gente
                                                          interessata
                                                          avremmo nuove
                                                          iscrizioni e
                                                          nuovi soci;</li>
                                                          <li>credo che
                                                          durante
                                                          l'anno, se
                                                          abbiamo cose
                                                          da mostrare,
                                                          potremmo
                                                          approfittare
                                                          di eventi già
                                                          esistenti
                                                          (come l'Open
                                                          Day di
                                                          Multiverso,
                                                          del quale già
                                                          ho parlato)
                                                          per farci
                                                          vedere;</li>
                                                          <li>credo che
                                                          NON fare il
                                                          Linux Day sia
                                                          anche un modo
                                                          per "misurarci
                                                          la febbre" e
                                                          vedere se
                                                          siamo
                                                          veramente
                                                          legati e
                                                          interessati
                                                          all'associazione;</li>
                                                          <li>non voglio
                                                          abolire il
                                                          Linux Day per
                                                          sempre, ma
                                                          solo
                                                          'saltarlo' per
                                                          questa volta e
                                                          mettere alla
                                                          prova tutti
                                                          noi durante
                                                          tutto l'anno
                                                          come soci;</li>
                                                          <li>se
                                                          decidessimo di
                                                          fare il Linux
                                                          Day io voterei
                                                          per farlo in
                                                          sede, visto
                                                          che l'idea era
                                                          quella di
                                                          lavorare al
                                                          book scanner
                                                          nulla vieta di
                                                          fare anche
                                                          conferenze e
                                                          banchetti;</li>
                                                          <li>se
                                                          decidiamo di
                                                          farlo
                                                          ricordatevi
                                                          che la parte
                                                          di
                                                          organizzazione
                                                          sia
                                                          burocratica
                                                          che tecnica la
                                                          dobbiamo fare
                                                          TUTTI INSIEME
                                                          e non solo in
                                                          2 o 3.<br>
                                                          </li>
                                                        </ul>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                        P. S.: Sotto
                                                        sotto sono un
                                                        po' contento che
                                                        sia nata questa
                                                        discussione,
                                                        perché se
                                                        discutiamo vuol
                                                        dire che siamo
                                                        un'associazione
                                                        viva e
                                                        interessata ai
                                                        propri scopi.<br>
                                                        <br clear="all">
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div>
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                                                          <div>
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                                                          <div>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>--------------------------------------<br>
                                                          <img src="https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B61H6-nVtxr-SVZBaUVTZmRQdms&revid=0B61H6-nVtxr-UzVFZEtrY21VcEppZW5Ka1ZsU1NnYmNmUmxnPQ" height="200" width="200"><br>
                                                          Alek Mugnozzo<br>
                                                          e-mail: <a href="mailto:info@mugnozzo.net" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:info@mugnozzo.net" target="_blank">info@mugnozzo.net</a></a><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>pec: <a href="mailto:mugnozzo@pec.mugnozzo.net" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:mugnozzo@pec.mugnozzo.net" target="_blank">mugnozzo@pec.mugnozzo.net</a></a><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>web: <a href="http://mugnozzo.net" target="_blank"><a href="http://mugnozzo.net" target="_blank">http://mugnozzo.net</a></a><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          phone: <a href="tel:%2B39%20320%205325471" value="+393205325471" target="_blank">+39
                                                          320 5325471</a><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>twitter:
                                                          @mugnozzo<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          facebook
                                                          (Personal): <a href="https://www.facebook.com/mugnozzo" target="_blank">Alek
                                                          Mugnozzo</a><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          facebook
                                                          (Company): <a href="https://www.facebook.com/mugnozzo.net" target="_blank">Mugnozzo</a><br>
                                                          skype:
                                                          mugnozzo<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          linkedin:
                                                          Alessio
                                                          Mugnani<br>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>--------------------------------------<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <i>AVVERTENZE
                                                          AI SENSI DEL
                                                          D.Lgs.
                                                          196/2003 E
                                                          DIRITTO DI
                                                          OPPOSIZIONE.
                                                          Le
                                                          informazioni
                                                          contenute in
                                                          questo
                                                          messaggio di
                                                          posta
                                                          elettronica
                                                          e/o nel/i
                                                          file/s
                                                          allegato/i
                                                          sono da
                                                          considerarsi
                                                          strettamente
                                                          riservate. Il
                                                          loro utilizzo
                                                          è consentito
                                                          esclusivamente
                                                          al
                                                          destinatario
                                                          del messaggio,
                                                          per le
                                                          finalità
                                                          indicate nel
                                                          messaggio
                                                          stesso.
                                                          Qualora
                                                          riceviate
                                                          questo
                                                          messaggio
                                                          senza esserne
                                                          il
                                                          destinatario,
                                                          Vi preghiamo
                                                          cortesemente
                                                          di darcene
                                                          notizia via
                                                          e-mail e di
                                                          procedere alla
                                                          distruzione
                                                          del messaggio
                                                          stesso,
                                                          cancellandolo
                                                          dal Vostro
                                                          sistema.
                                                          Conservare il
                                                          messaggio
                                                          stesso,
                                                          divulgarlo
                                                          anche in
                                                          parte,
                                                          distribuirlo
                                                          ad altri
                                                          soggetti,
                                                          copiarlo, od
                                                          utilizzarlo
                                                          per finalità
                                                          diverse,
                                                          costituisce
                                                          comportamento
                                                          contrario ai
                                                          principi
                                                          dettati dal
                                                          D.Lgs.
                                                          196/2003.</i><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                        </div>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <br>
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                                                  <br>
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                                    </div>
                                  </div>
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                          <br>
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            </div>
            <br>
          </div>
        </blockquote>
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      <br>
      <fieldset></fieldset>
      <br>
      <pre>
</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
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