New member

David Jones
Thu Aug 12 16:14:45 CEST 2004

Nice to see someone else interested in the 820.  

FYI.  I have managed to get a version of the fvwm gui
to cross compile.  But, I haven't had time to do an
install and debug the start up.  My girls will be
starting school again soon so I should be able to work
on it again.


--- "Smith, Todd" <> wrote:

> Welcome and good luck!
> Your first post is pretty important since that shows
> us where the true state
> of the code is at.  Being able to download some code
> and get it to work
> reasonably is a good first step.  Many of the
> principal hackers are busy
> right this minute, but hang around and I sure that
> they will chime in with
> some answers or other questions for you.
> Todd Smith <>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Derek Easte
> To:
> Sent: 8/11/2004 11:17 PM
> Subject: New member
> Hi,
> I recently had an 820 given to me (presumably its
> owner had no real use
> for 
> it), so after much browsing I discovered a bunch of
> Jornada owners are
> busy 
> porting linux to this otherwise unimpressive beast,
> and forthwith
> downloaded 
> many Mb, result - I have managed to get the smallish
> tarfile from "oleg"
> installed on a CF card and running. Generally the
> system now resembles
> an 
> '80s pc running, say Xenix, with multi-consoles,
> command line, shell 
> programming and so on.
> I managed to get a swap partition up, which all
> seems to work fine. I
> tried 
> out gpm on a console and that seems to work too,
> cutting and pasting
> like it 
> should, selection can be a bit clumsy because the
> touchpad seems a bit 
> oversensitive. I have run mc as well and found that
> setting TERM to
> "linux" 
> gives a nice colour screen and all the function keys
> appear to work as 
> documented, except for certain keyboard deficiences.
> The only real "problem" I have noticed so far is the
> hardware clock
> appears 
> to "work" differently in native (CE) mode, than
> linux. I have noticed
> that 
> ignoring CE's pleas to set up the system, and
> leaving the date and time 
> settings alone, appears to leave the linux system
> date intact, but
> trying to 
> use the CE "Universal Date and Time" util results in
> an "out of memory" 
> error. I can be more detailed with this particular
> issue if anyone else
> is 
> interested, but for now if I just let linux take
> care of the settings, 
> things are fine.
> Ok, well I haven't so far spent a lot of time
> investigating the
> capabilities 
> of the Debian linux distro, but I have managed to
> completely crash the
> 820 
> several times, e.g. trying to start an X server, or
> dump kernel or
> memory 
> pages, but I also realise that this is all still
> fairly experimental.
> As to the hardware itself, after reading some of the
> mail archives it
> seems 
> that there may well be insurmountable obstacles to
> ever getting all of
> the 
> 820's potential hardware "goodies" up and running a
> linux driver. I note
> the 
> discussion about HP's design shortcuts, which
> apparently mean that
> unless 
> these machines can be "re-engineered" (a fairly
> unlikely event, unless 
> someone
> has access to an electronics manufacturing plant?)
> then we are stuck
> with 
> its current design and its limitations.
> The power drain when linux is running also appears
> to be an issue, the 
> battery quickly runs down meaning that use of the ac
> adapter is a linux 
> requirement, or expect an unwanted shutdown.
> Nonetheless, many of the hardware issues appear to
> have been overcome 
> through the efforts of a small bunch (who apparently
> seek no reward
> other 
> than perhaps the satisfaction of seeing it work).
> The Jornada 820 appears to be a bit of an outcast,
> in the sense that
> other 
> Jornada models seem to have hardware designs that
> are better linux 
> platforms, perhaps the 820 will remain forever a
> "bad"  linux system
> because 
> of these design shortcuts. We shall see.
> Perhaps I can offer some assistance. For now, I am
> just "trying out" the
> thing, seeing what works and what doesn't. I
> remember reading a news
> post 
> somewhere about someone getting an X server running
> on an 820.. so far,
> I 
> haven't been able to do this.
> Sorry for the long ramble, this is my first post...
> Regards
> Derek Easte
> just a humble programmer
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